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May need a whole sub wiki for this if they start changing things severely.Edit

If this is an alternate universe, an awful lot of details may no longer match the original Rapture games.

Some new template to handle divergences  (pointing back to original and then highlighting changes) ???

Testxyz 13:13, August 17, 2013 (UTC)

It's too early to tell; until the DLC comes out and people actually play it, we don't know if it takes place in the Rapture of the first Bioshock or an alternate Rapture. Key of Destiny (talk) 14:29, August 17, 2013 (UTC)
May still have to seperate it (the disclosed information about events/people/places/tech stuff)  somehow  because alternate reality whatever they add will not be canon for the original Rapture (cant be lumped on wiki without indicating source)
And since they are doing all new assets, what they might think to change (excuse that players want something new) and with the fantasy aspect it could inherit from Infinite.
They said they are having 'Tears'?? nothing like that existed/seen/mentioned in old 'classic' rapture and would be hard to say "oh noone noticed, so its ok and it is the same universe" (unless elizabeth is limited to doing tiny ones alone inside a closed dark closet .... and "what goes on in the closet, stays in the closet").
Testxyz 15:17, August 17, 2013 (UTC)
We managed to separate canon stuff from story elements depicted in the novel, I don't see how we wouldn't be able to manage informations from Burial at Sea, though one template should be enough to help us later if this story does not take place in the same timeline as the first two BioShock games.
About Tears in Rapture, I don't think that would be a problem. They are common sights in Columbia due to Elizabeth's unstable powers. Still since she's finally able to control them by the end of Infinite, she probably can now avoid creating unwanted ones like she did in her childhood, thus no "I saw a strange light coming out of nowhere" line in audio diaries. Also, any witness of Tears can interpret that as the effect of a new plasmid, it's not like they haven't done the impossible so far.
Pauolo (talk) 18:33, August 17, 2013 (UTC)
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Depending on what the tear is comprised of  (ie- a Plasmid that momentarily produces a Marching Band???   Heh, a new Plasmid called "Hallucinate" which causes distractive confusion (so a broad bunch of 'visions' could result. )   The ADAM ghost stories/memories  in BS1 were largely humans just talking, but alot of the Tears were far more substantial.
Oh and actually if 'brain jamming'  psi effects were a function of various plasmids alot of the 'impossible' things some of them did could be a purposefully faked when added to biologically possible chemistry and physics  (Throwing a gob of flaming substance, electric eel style electricity, spiderman fibers to project varius things (like electricity), gobs of insta-glue(freezing). puff of smoke of the 'teleport').  Add light/sound/electromagnetic/chemical stimulant effects to jam/stun someones brain generated by a biological body extension.  DO things like what they appear to be but arent (maybe its more what you as the avatar see and think it is, and as long as the effect is the same....)     ----- Stuff like that to make it sci-fi instead of fantasy-magic.   Quite a stretch for some of them.
A hard one - The ADAM ghost stories/memories you saw of visions from Eleanor -- is really from crap stuffed into Jacks head on his conditioning ( Memories in RNA/DNA just dont work following normal physics or brain function - its just not enough bandwidth).  , or crap stuffed into Delta's while she was messing around trying to revive him andnrebuild his brain (and/or some active transmission into a Daddy-vision imbedded in BD from sleeping Eleanor (LS thus mustve had similar).
Testxyz 17:01, August 18, 2013 (UTC)

May require consideration about what constitutes Canon ??Edit

With Tears and Vigors vs Plasmids and Gear vs Tonics    will turn alot of things upside down (besides the artistic license they may take redoing places/people/events weve seen/heard of in the Two Bioshock games)

75.36.143.215 08:20, August 29, 2013 (UTC)


No Skylines ? Edit

Or are they going to somehow add those to Rapture.    The ones in Columbia strangely go in circles (the ones you get to use)  so there might be a few factory or people movers in a few places (levels)  they possibly might have something similar enough.

Same with the hooks (and jumping 'magnetically' 100+ feet).

75.36.130.119 20:24, August 30, 2013 (UTC)

They have been added, and the sky hook is now a little different, but mostly not in mechanics. Apparently, instead of being magnetic, it propels it's user to a hook or skyline by using a vacuum. It's appearance has changed to match Rapture's aesthetics, that being art deco. The only change gameplay-wise is that you can now assassinate enemies.
71.94.174.17 01:58, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

SallyEdit

"Sally" (in at least one yahoo lookup definition)  means 'princess' Testxyz (talk) 23:36, October 5, 2013 (UTC)

And? Pauolo (talk) 01:04, October 6, 2013 (UTC)
Trivia??  (and possibly indirectly significant with what 'Elizabeth'  effectively was in BS:I) Testxyz (talk) 01:34, October 6, 2013 (UTC)
We can't speculate on the signification of her name when we don't know a thing about her.
Pauolo (talk) 01:45, October 6, 2013 (UTC)
Which is why its here instead of on the primary page  (and you could wipe out a good portion of the talk sections in this wiki if 'speculation' was verbotten).   It probably is only speculation as its a common name and its likely they BaS authors didnt realize that definition Testxyz (talk) 01:52, October 6, 2013 (UTC)
I thought you were going to ask for this to be added to the trivia/behind the scenes section. I'll just say, don't get too much fired up until the DLC is released, it's too early to speculate on anything.
Pauolo (talk) 08:35, October 6, 2013 (UTC)

well the thing with Sally's name meaning "princess" could be just a happy coincedence!:)

EP2? Edit

208.102.217.45 21:15, November 14, 2013 (UTC)DanTalkInfinite


So the ending of EP1 is where Comstock dies but in EP2 could the Good booker come back for his Grown up daughter? In the rapture where Comstock went? (Bad Booker)?

Timelines Edit

As it stands now, the article says the Elizabeth in Burial at Sea is the Elizabeth from Infinite. Is there any proof of this? Her personality (colder, borderline sociopathic) seems to fit more with "evil" Elizabeth from the scene in which Columbia attacks New York then the Elizabeth we knew. Fans have tried to explain how Comstock could still exist despite the drowning, but their explanations are generally flawed at best.


Perhaps, then, this is "Old" Elizabeth after she was tortured by Comstock but before realizing she would have to end things before they even started? It would make sense for her to attempt to take out the Comstocks one by one and then realize it couldn't be done. After she realized this was when she contacted Booker in the Asylum, as seen in Infinite. If this were the case, Infinite's ending would remain canon, and the "smother it in the crib" ending would be final.


Though this doesn't seem to be the ruling theory, to me it explains the most while requiring the least amount of fan speculation and causing the fewest plot-holes. Anyone else have any thoughts? 63.153.147.49 23:44, November 14, 2013 (UTC)


The can of worms was opened up when they chose this utterly open-ended plot-wise mechanism of an 'infinite' multiverse as a plot mechanism.  To quote Schrödinger's Cat, it might be Elizabeth, it might not be, it might be both at the same time.    Anyway - 'infinite' Elizabeths now with further 'infinite' situations where infinite Bookers became infinite variations of Comstock and stole some other number of infinite children from some other infinite number of Bookers.   Infinite of the Elizabeths saw Skyhooks and could play with tears (so doesnt make them the Elizabeth from the games primary character, just one of the infinite Elizabeths somewhat like her) and some infinite number of those come to think they can change ('fix') the  infinite situations (BTW taking till doomsday to try) and infinite of those will be made worse.


So you are left standing in quicksand trying to define ANYTHING from this story one way or the other as that little 'infinite' thing gets in the way.  "Constants and Variables" doesnt work when EVERYTHING is both and neither at the same time.    

Testxyz (talk) 01:43, November 15, 2013 (UTC)


Given the ending cutscene in which we see Comstock trying to steal Anna from Booker, as well as the presence of "Infinite Elizabeth" in that scene, I find it most likely that the Elizabeth in Burial at Sea is indeed the Elizabeth from Infinite, who has come to this universe in order to exact revenge upon Comstock.  Though I do agree with Testxyz; because of the "infinite worlds" plot device, there's no real way to tell unless Levine comes out and says so.  Which is highly unlikely. Key of Destiny (talk) 15:23, November 15, 2013 (UTC)

well in each world people do things different so were one Booker lets them drown Him another WONT so maby all the Elizabeths after the theft were erased along with Comstock but all the ones BEFORE didnt and thats why Elizabeth was there to stop it. and i dont know about you guys but Elizabeth did get a little darker by the end of the game and after all thats happend and then watching that Anna die she might have just gotten a darker vew on life, NO ONE STAYS INNOCENT FOREVER! also i heard from an inervew that the Elizabeth in this is the same but shes older now as well.  so seen dark things i geuss.

02:08, November 16, 2013 (UTC){{SUBST::User:Beast_of_burden/sig_ref}}



The problem with the 'theory' they say they based the technology/plot on is that in the multiverse theory there is a continuous cascade of new universes not just from some human 'decisions', but from every particle of existance (the 'quantum' particles) flipping randomly at all points of time.   That means that at one instant we saw in the game, the next infintesimal small instant later an infinite number of universes has sprung into existance with virtually the same state (except on tiny quarks quantum of difference each).  They all spiral in slightly different directions from there. So there are an infinite number of (almost) exactly the same Elizabeths and Bookers continually coming into existance.  Those in turn will split again and again a infinite times faster than I can type this.  

The theory doesnt say how Elizabeth picks her Tears to go thru (nor how SHE makes the Tears to cross over thru, or why she is special, etc...), but assuming she does somehow, then there are infinite ones she can never get to (no time?) and if she hasnt figured it out thats one thing (wave bye bye to her as she tries forever, never catching up to infinitely more universes where a 'bad' Booker is, always more than when she started).  If she did figured this  out, then she would know it is futile to try to fix anything (all the others keep happening and even the one she is in will split into ones where she does whatever and infinite more she doesnt) and she is really only doing it 'to feel better' and/or to get revenge (again with more universes popping into existance with Booker unpunished doing whatever that Booker would do ), so its only in her mind...


But then  what else does she have to do?  Its now her hobby??   Is she trapped by the delusion she can change things and pursues that for the rest of her life (since she 'aged' ?? means its finite??)  when she should have just headed for Paris??  As soon as she realizes what  'has happened,,  HAS HAPPENED (and wont change no matter what she does) and so moves on, the happier she will be.

Testxyz (talk) 14:11, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

Ken Levine stated in an interview that this is the Infinite Elizabeth.[1] TenCents (talk to me!) 16:48, February 27, 2014 (UTC)

Radar Range PageEdit

I'm just wondering where the artical for the Radar Range weapon is? Has anyone writen it yet? I'd do it myself, but have never writen a page from the ground up, and I don't know the statisitics. Professor Detective (talk)

the page now exists {{SUBST::User:Beast_of_burden/sig_ref}} 02:11, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

Box Head Splicers?Edit

In BaS there are Splicers in Fontaine's Department Store who wear a wooden box on there Heads (i noticed that this can be knocked off in combat) but i want to know are they a new model of Splicer or notand if they are new should we add them to the Splicer Page??

{{SUBST::User:Beast_of_burden/sig_ref}} 18:37, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

*** SPOILER WARNING ***Edit

So you just shave and you become young again ??  Or was it Galadriels magic water basin that did the trick?

So how exactly did Comstock who Booker killed (who never existed after he killed himself as Comstock, who existed but didnt exist until he changed and did/didnt baptise ... whatever)  turn into Booker P. I. for transport to Rapture  (and what did he drink to 'forget' so conveniently).  SO hes a different one, not a different one , both at once (quantum cat physics....).   These are the issues that drove Tesla from this kind of stuff and into making electric cars.

Its those damn Luteces meddling again.  Maybe Elizabeth can go back in time and stop THEM instead, since THEY are the ones who started this whole mess and kept playing around to make it all happen.  Otherwise its just an infinite number of Booker/Comstocks to get revenge on.

Testxyz (talk) 11:26, December 3, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe this is how Elizabeth entertains herself now- traveling through dimensions and different universes and punishing all of the Comstocks that exist. Mr Bio Shock 15px-Physical_Tonic.png 18:56, December 21, 2013 (UTC)

Is this the same Rapture? Edit

I have seen a lot of writing about this other Rapture that is not the same that we learned to know in Bioshock and Bioshock 2' (Mostly with the Rapture Central Council and Dionysus Park). Is this a fact that this is not the same Rapture because I think its the same (Except for Booker and Elisabeth) and we are only learning new things about the old Rapture... or is it a different Rapture? Shacob (talk) 03:08, December 14, 2013 (UTC)

Same Booker from the EpilougeEdit

Do you notice Booker from the Epilouge? Is he really the same Booker where in a flashback of Booker as an Investigator in Rapture where he struggled over Anna but ended up decapitated Anna? is it true that in flashback is the same Booker?

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I can hardly understand your question. Since you didn't even sign it, even as an unregistered user, I would not consider answering it, still if that keeps you from being rude...
So, Booker in Burial at Sea can't be the same one as in Infinite, simply because he never had/couldn't have a child to begin with. Booker in Rapture used to be the Comstock of another reality where Columbia existed.
Pauolo (talk) 09:10, December 29, 2013 (UTC)
I think when the Bouncer spun the drill, it shredded up his innards. Can you imagine how painful that must've been? ZanyDragon (talk) 05:13, December 30, 2013 (UTC)

AntagonistEdit

I am confused. who is the main antagonist of this story? Elizabeth who lets a Bouncer Impaling Booker, or Booker/Comstock who is resposible for a head decapitaction of Anna?

ColumbiaEdit

If Elizabeth prevented Columbia from existing, then how is it she can still bring stuff from there? (ammo, motorized patriots, etc.). In fact, they seem to suggest that Columbia still exists in other universes (based on Suchong's audio diaries and the fact that Comstock exists in the first place). Wouldn't that nullify most of the explanations for the base game's ending, or Booker's own strategy to stop it from happeneing (smothering Comstock in his crib = eliminating him for good)

Geekius Maximus (talk) 01:20, February 18, 2014 (UTC)


The theory they are trying to use selectively, proposes infinite multiverses and at each infinitely small change point another universe comes into being/splits off (and infinite of infinites)  so anything Elizabeth does - every twitch of an eyebrow is yet a new universe.  So the viewpoint goes down one path but all the rest of the combinations still happen whether good or evil, bad or nice, no matter what anyone does or doesnt do.

NOT the greatest mechanism, particularly if they dont even apply it consistantly.  Simply think of it is if the writers thought it 'would be neat' then they could do it (or whatever) with the simple excuse of 'cuz'.

BTW, their made-up 'quantum theory' somehow allows time travel and crossing 'dimensions'  thru the will of this magic being 'Elizabeth' (who was created by that magic 'Lutece Machine').  The floaty stuff is all BS too, but for the sake of selling a game they can make and call it all whatever they want.  Meanwhile Einstein is spinning at 6000RPM in his grave (except his brain which is in a museum somewhere).

Separate enemies?Edit

Shouldn't Episode one and two been separate? in this: (see below) episode 1 and 2 is in the same section. enemies such as "fireman" only appears in episode 2.

  

Shacob (talk) 00:02, March 9, 2014 (UTC)

"SPOILERS" Booker or Comstock Edit

wasn't it revealed that Booker was Comstock in the end, so shouldnt it say on the character section Zachary Comstock instead of Booker DeWitt? or is it to big of a spoiler?

Shacob (talk) 04:22, June 1, 2014 (UTC)

Someone compared the poster to Episode 1 to an album cover. It's a pretty slim comparison and it's obvious the real inspiration was This Gun for Hire. Still, I don't want to fully delete it, just take it off the main page. Here it is: